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[Mrmovieprop]

What does everyone make of the end of the recent Planet of the Apes film?
How do you explain it.
I presented a few posisble scenarious at
http://movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Planetofth.../2001ending.htm

including

1. Astronaut Leo does not land on Planet Earth even though he thinks he does. Instead he lands on the planet he just left from only arriving farther into its future.

2. Astronaut Leo arrives on a Planet other than the Earth or the Ape world he left from.

3. General Thad escapes his captivity and leads a group of Apes in a pursuit to conquer the Earth before humanity was strong via timetravel. Astronaut Leo then arrives on Earth to see the results of this conquest.

4. The ending (or entire movie after Leo leaves the spacestation) is a dream, story, or some other contraption which will have no validity in future sequels.

Anyone have any other possible explanations or comments on these possible explanations.

[POTA]

before i start talking in this thread, I just want to make sure anybody still comes here so I can get a response.

[Mrmovieprop]

People come here. Good creative thoughts are going to be enjoyed even if not directly responded to a lot though you know.
There are typically more readers than posters on any forum.
And any good thought posted will stay up a very long time so people can see it for years to come.

[Mightywarrior]

So whats your opinion ? Do you have something you wish to discuss about the Planet of the Apes ending or another area of the film series perhaps ? Cannot know what replies you will get until you post

[Ape Ventura]

My view on the ending is that no one understands it, and even less care. Which is going to make it very difficult to make a sequel to this movie. But I hope they do, and I hope they employ NO one who was involved in the first one. The thing about apes is that it allows great socio-political commentary on current events. That's why it's so strange they didnt exploit this aspect of the apes concept, which has always been central to it, especially at such an important political time as now. Just think what you could say about the Bush administration using the apes concept! Yeah, I think the only explanation for what happenned is that Thade somehow travelled back in time and got there before Wahlberg, altering the evolution of Earth, bringing apes to the forefront. How this came about is anyone's guess. But who cares? It allows (if they make the sequel) for Rod Serling's future ape society to finally be realised on screen. Hope they do it! And I could spend hours thinking of who they could a cast as apes (now THAT's a good idea for a discussion link).

[Ape Ventura]

Oops! Okay, I accidentally opened a second thingo, so I may as well ask something else. This is very probably just empty theorising, but we have always been led to believe that there were no plans for the third movie at the time of the production of Beneath the... But I wondered when I saw it the other day again, ebcause Zira mentions that she is preggers. Why mention this if that is not going to be a part of a later story? It's almost as if they knew they were going to extend the story all along. It was Chuck who sold them on the idea of blowing up the world, but it still makes me wonder. Also, if they had NOT blown up the world, I wonder what course the story would have taken? And what part Cornelius and Zira's son would have played in it? And his interaction with the humans! This would make an interesting alternate timeline adventure, especially if a son of Taylor was written into it as well, at loggerheads with Cornelius and Zira's son perhaps.

Also, does anyone know if "Apes" has novelisations which center on the adventures of Caesar after Apes episode five, much as Star Wars has novelised adventures set after the movies?

[Mrmovieprop]

Would be interesting to see the future apes civilization in an Apes film. Would be more like the original book and animated series.
I know there are lots of comic books about the Apes not sure if any novels or comic books deal with Caesar's future adventures though.

[saicow]

What does everyone make of the end of the recent Planet of the Apes film?
How do you explain it.
I presented a few posisble scenarious at
http://movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Planetofth.../2001ending.htm

including

1. Astronaut Leo does not land on Planet Earth even though he thinks he does. Instead he lands on the planet he just left from only arriving farther into its future.

2. Astronaut Leo arrives on a Planet other than the Earth or the Ape world he left from.

3. General Thad escapes his captivity and leads a group of Apes in a pursuit to conquer the Earth before humanity was strong via timetravel. Astronaut Leo then arrives on Earth to see the results of this conquest.

4. The ending (or entire movie after Leo leaves the spacestation) is a dream, story, or some other contraption which will have no validity in future sequels.

Anyone have any other possible explanations or comments on these possible explanations.

First, I think it's unlikely General Thad would understand half the terms used in science. These were human-invented words. Therefore, gravity for example, was discovered by the apes and wasn't given a name. Same goes for lasers, aircrafts, and bombs. Second, Thad is arrogant and racist or specist rather and may not submit himself decades to understand human knowledge. Also, not all crucial information about science may not be contained within the computers. Lastly and most significant, I believe he would never be able to access any data because first, there should be advanced password systems on the computer, and second, the keyboard is designed for human fingers.

I think 1. is better through. He may be able escape somehow. Armed with a laser pistol, everyone would rever him like a god-like figure. He would rally the remnants of the army and continue where he left off. Without Davidson to aid the humans, it should be relatively easy for the apes to finish them off.


My explanation of the ending is the following (it's a hybrid of 1. and 3.):
Instead of learning from the computers, he does lead back a team of apes to an early era, indefinitely before the 800s. Otherwise, his small group would be slaughtered by any trained army, be it the French knights, English archers, Chinese crossbowmen with their insane old-school rockets, or the Canadian militia in the War of 1812. He would kill off the humans slowly. However, after his death, the descendants may be less arrogant and use the Oberon to time travel to the scientists of each era and have them teach the apes. Then upon learning this, then they go attack in the American Civil War with advanced weapons. The reason they cannot have higher intelligence to the period of time travelling is because they would be they have ensured the destruction of future human civilization, thus preventing humans in the future from making time machines. Yes, I know there are a ton of gaps in my explanation as well.


But I think explanation requires the involvement of Earh because of the Lincoln-like monument. The geographical structure of the planet is not exactly to mimic.

[Mrmovieprop]

A very interesting explanation Saicow. Its true a laser pistol would allow Thade to lead his people well just as a mere gun was probably a big reason his father lead as he did even if it was just an artifact. Magical things make people think the wielder is a god. Thade regaining power in the future is not so hard to believe though even if he is temporarily contained in a cell. Would his fellow apes really let him starve to death slowly? Probably not. But somehow human knowledge and knowhow has to get transferred to the apes for the end of the Apes movie with its mimicry of the Washinton Monument to take place.

[saicow]

A very interesting explanation Saicow. Its true a laser pistol would allow Thade to lead his people well just as a mere gun was probably a big reason his father lead as he did even if it was just an artifact. Magical things make people think the wielder is a god. Thade regaining power in the future is not so hard to believe though even if he is temporarily contained in a cell. Would his fellow apes really let him starve to death slowly? Probably not. But somehow human knowledge and knowhow has to get transferred to the apes for the end of the Apes movie with its mimicry of the Washinton Monument to take place.

Very true, but I have realized the impossibility of the event because the destruction of the human race will eliminate the original science to produce the spacecraft and timecraft to carry the humans to planet of the apes. However, this time paradox may have a loophole by telling the settled earth apes of time travel and prepare this technology for the future. As well, if Thade keeps the necessary human scientist to lead to time-travelling technology, the future Oberon mothership and space pod he uses is still maintained. I think this is most plausable.

Also, by using black holes to slow down the speed of time to effect the rest of the time-space continum may localize the effect to be contained. This is one is really bizarre. But I got it from Star Trek when they kill this liberating figure and somehow a time-space bubble isolates this single Federation warship from the rest of the fleet and their sudden disappearance. Then, we start getting into parallel universes and how ton of what not of unexplained sciences.

[Mrmovieprop]

Time paradox theories are interesting but one can always argue that there are alternate futures. In the Terminator saga time travel changed the future and the present. How can such be possible without alternate timelines.
If time is truly 100 percent interconnected then one could not change anything and any trip to the past is already part of the future thats meant to be.

[libra113]

Actually, I've always figured it went like this: Thade and some of the more hardline loyalists found a transport (possibly during exploration of the remains of the Oberon) and used it to go after Leo. Now, if you notice when something goes through the time storm (or whatever you want to call it) it comes out in the OPPOSITE order it went in (in the first part of the movie the chimp went in first, Leo went in second and the Obereon apprently went through last, however when they come out the Oberon comes out first, Leo second and the chimp last). Therefore Thade and his group comes out first (even if decades have passed, or even if it's actually a decendant of his Thade II or someone acting in his memory) and take over the Earth (probably some time in 20th century (give or take) and when Leo comes out he finds an Earth long under ape control. Now, there ARE some issue with this version of events but nothing that is impossible to deal with. The biggest is the paradox of Leo himself existing when his timeline has been changed. However, he could have been protected from the effect of the altered timeline by being inside the storm 'when' (releatively speaking) the change occured. Before anyone scoffs the same explination was used in "First Contact" to explain why the Enterprise crew wasn't effected by the Borg re-writing history. Other than that one issue the rest is kind of easy to smooth out since Thade (or his decendant, or loyalists working in his name) could leave the Planet of the Apes at pretty much any point in their future and in that time they COULD have developed their own ships, advanced weapons, etc... Still, it could have just been Thade himself in a spare pod using Earth born apes and time to do the job. Isn't that kind of what happened in the original movies? The son of the two apes from the future was able to use normal, contemparary apes, to build his future world. Also, if he could con humans into thinking he brings peace and a better way he could lure them to his side until it's too late for them to realize the error of their ways.

[KingIsulgard]

Explanation of the ending of Planet of the Apes

When Leo crashes onto the Earth he is confronted with the fact the planet has been taken over by the monkeys. But how is that possible?

I have somewhat developed a theory that might just fit to the story.

The Oberon crashed onto the Planet of the Apes much earlier than Leo. This is because the Oberon has much more power than the smaller spacecrafts, so they had the possibility to fly much more faster into the electromagnetic storm.

The laws of physics explain that an object of an higher speed will go back in time faster so it can go further back in time, or into the future. (For more information, ask Einstein.)

The Oberon flew into the electromagnetic storm at a much higher speed and therefore got further back into the past than Leo. Leo flew right into the storm and the monkey got in it accidently. So Leo flew through the storm at a much higher speed than the monkey, this is why Leo lands on the planet before the chimpanzee does.

Due to the electromagnetic storm, the power supplies of the Oberon were depleted (this also happened with the shuttle of Leo), and it will take some time to recharge the engine power supply with the nuclear power source of the Oberon which last forever. That is why the people of the Oberon were stuck on the planet of a while, waiting until the power supply was fully recharged and they could fly back home.

But Semos killed them all before they could go back home.

When Leo gets the chimpanzee’s spacecraft when it lands on the Planet of the Apes, he flies back into the electromagnetic storm and therefore going back into the future, back to his own galaxy. He crashed into Washington and sees everything has been taken over by the apes, but how?

Probably this happened: Thade has been stuck into the Oberon controlling room. The power supply was recharging again because it has been depleted during the attack. After a few days the power supplies were recharged and the system probably asked to start the return to the planet Earth, this would have been programmed by the humans after they crashed but they never have been able to do because Semos killed them all before the power supply was fully recharged.

Thade activated the preprogrammed flight back to Earth and flew through the electromagnetic storm. He was accompanied by some of his loyal militians who wanted to come with him. But because the ship was highly damaged, it couldn’t fly as fast as the small spacecraft Leo used and therefore he wouldn’t get back as far into the future at Leo. (Because he flew at a lower speed than Leo.)

When Thade crashes into the planet Earth, it must have been around 1990. He leads the Earth-Apes with the help of his loyal militians who came with him and takes over the planet, with Thade as the new leader. This is why the statue says that Thade is the savior of all monkeys.

Thade wanted to erase all of humanity, even their history so he rewrote all of history and changed all statues in to ape statues (altering the one of Lincoln into himself). They took over all human culture and lifestyle and start living on their own. Because the Apes aren’t as intelligent as humans are, they are at a technological stand-still so there won’t be any progress when Leo crashes around the year 2156 (check the dashboard of Leo’s spaceship when he flies back), when Thade is already long dead and the Apes have forgotten about the humanity.

But why didn’t the Apes used the technology of the Oberon when they were back on Earth? The spaceship probably crashed and was completely wrecked when it crashed back on Earth.

Any comments are welcome!

[Mrmovieprop]

Interesting theory, in 1990 humanity would have been strong and hard to conquer though I believe. So I would say earlier back unless a nuclear war or uprisings of ape slaves on the Earth were widespread when he arrived in this scenario.

[KingIsulgard]

Interesting theory, in 1990 humanity would have been strong and hard to conquer though I believe. So I would say earlier back unless a nuclear war or uprisings of ape slaves on the Earth were widespread when he arrived in this scenario.

He might have used his "alien" technology or something. Or it may indeed be much earlier but then how would you explain the existence of cars and such?

[Mrmovieprop]

The Oberon could have records of human technology and information on how it works. Merely recreate whats learned from the Oberon's computer memory over time and cars and what not could be made. Use this knowledge to go farther back in time and create guns and better weapons to go against humans with less and conquering would be easy also. Or there could have been a big war and apes rose up as they did in the original series and copied and recreated what they could of human society in their own way.
This might be less likely though. In the showtime series Jeremiah a disease wipes out all adults, and children that grow up after barely keep any technological knowledge of the past. So with that thinking with human masters dead only rudimentary tech would remain after apes take over.
Its also possible the Planet is not Earth at all but another Planet Thade went to and recreated the civilization and tech of humans found on the Oberon unopposed.

[Fenofio]

What does everyone make of the end of the recent Planet of the Apes film?
How do you explain it.
I presented a few posisble scenarious at
http://movieprop.com/tvandmovie/Planetofth.../2001ending.htm

including

1. Astronaut Leo does not land on Planet Earth even though he thinks he does. Instead he lands on the planet he just left from only arriving farther into its future.

2. Astronaut Leo arrives on a Planet other than the Earth or the Ape world he left from.

3. General Thad escapes his captivity and leads a group of Apes in a pursuit to conquer the Earth before humanity was strong via timetravel. Astronaut Leo then arrives on Earth to see the results of this conquest.

4. The ending (or entire movie after Leo leaves the spacestation) is a dream, story, or some other contraption which will have no validity in future sequels.

Anyone have any other possible explanations or comments on these possible explanations.

Interesting ideas.. but i have 2 ideas
1. He jumped to a different dimension all together" asuming the time travel and speed etc etc its a possibility that the electromegnatic field allowed him to jump into a different dimension altogether
2. when Leo travels back, somehow he must have changed the future/past altogether i.e. he never crashed on the ape world in the first place and that would mean that General Thade would have conquered humanity long before because at the end of the movie the apes do mention the word "Human" if you listen carefully, so finding the humans as a threat or an enemy they point their guns to him and are surprised to see a HUMAN still alive (if eradicated) or probably out of cage (if nopt eradicated)!

[CoroptopeGozy]

I actually enjoyed the Walberg, Burton film. Sure it wasnt brillant but it was enjoyable. Id rather they did something with that. Except they went with an ending that was big twist value, but not good for a sequel.


With conquest being the 4th film in the original, and set up from the end of escape... I assume this will really just be the story of how genitically modified apes take over? not with the help of a more evolved ape from the future?

Doesnt actually really interest me. I think it needs the set up from other films, to make it cool. Otherwise its just a genetic engineering gone wrong end of the world film.

[Mrmovieprop]

The setup of the Burton film could be identical to that after the first original film.
Except the apes from the future in Escape would be replaced by a human from the future who would help lead humans to revolt but first showing apes that Humans can have values as servants if humans are not already used as servants on the Ape world. Have humans as the apes instead of the apes in the original films. Or the second film could be a story told of how the apes took over.

[crestiksa]

Yes Shit is about to get fucked up

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